Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Iran

Simon Tisdall (Guardian UK) lays down some salient points with regard to the Iran pot-boiler. I don't necessarily agree with his forecast for the future as, I think, too much is reliant upon the implied intransigence of the mullah's and the neocon hawks.

Too much of this mess has been created via the Cheney administrations meddling, through rhetorical slants, with the diplomatic process. It is hard enough to negotiate with the schitzophrenic leadership of Iran, but every time a step forward is taken the US nullifies it by opening it's sanctimonious maw and blithely trashing any progress and basically calling it's head of state, rightly or wrongly, a crazyman.

The neocons need to be taken off the world stage, their naive shoot first ask questions later policy stances are not helping the broader pragmatic approach that, in this instance, may provide for a greater platform toward progress.

I am not saying we should appease the Tehran government, we should utilize every tool in the draw to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion, but name calling and sabre rattling are really very unproductive and merely serve the purpose of stonewalling the process until, exasperated, Bush sees no other option than pulling the trigger on another preemptive action. And let's face it, Bush is and always has been in a constant state of near exasperation, it happens when you truly don't understand what all the adults in the room are actually talking about.

That he will be lead to that conclusion by Cheney and his feckless accomplices and by the ineptitude of his SecState is not yet inevitable. And, Iran must understand this, they too must come to the table as willing participants and give ground on key sticking points in the process.

With Europe, Russia and to some extent China engaged, the Arab world must finally grow up and become a component in this clash of idealogies. They are losing ground here and must be seen as being 'competent' regional participants, too many of their governments, historically, have hidden behind a western veil, unable to progress with one clear unadulterated voice, each playing off one another, scoring points in their internal and external games of insult and innuendo. The west has to allow the Arab world to rise or fall at it's own behest. We have policed the region for far too long and with only a modicum of success at the best of times, we cannot be the parent any longer. We must help in the transition, see Iraq, but we can not keep patting them on their heads and pulling up their socks. They need to grow as nations and experience those growing pains without the analgesic the west has so willingly and perhaps irresponsibly provided. As much as we are addicted to their oil, they have become addicted to our salves in the form of dollars, weapons and perceived protection.

If it is all about oil, and most now suspect it is, then the only guarantee we need is that the oil will flow unhindered, do we need to send in 160,000 troops, 185,000 mercenaries and a trillion dollars to ensure the 'black-stuffs' security (and we wonder why oil is so expensive)? No, it is in their interest to keep it flowing, it is, afterall, all they have now. Any 'serious' leader should be aware of that. The problem is serious leadership in the region and that is what we should be ensuring, I am not advocating regime change here, we just tried that with what could only be described as disasterous results, I am merely stating that if we want stability in the region we need to be assured that the players in the middle east are as committed to that outcome as we appear to be.

We need to turn off the idiotic rhetorical spiggott, put the sabres back in the scabbards and engage these people. Where would that leave Bin Laden and his murderous band of thugs... dangling in the wind, I would imagine!

4 comments:

alwaysright said...

Why, exactly would Iran come to the table? They rightly perceive that the West is in complete disarray with respect to how to deal with them. What they want is hegemony in the Middle East. Can the West give them that?

So what's to negotiate? They want a nuke, we want to stop them from getting one. And every day we squabble among ourselves they get one day closer to their goal.

Much has been made in recent days about Iraq being all about oil. Well, of course it's about oil. Oil is the most vital strategic resource in the world. If Saddam had been left unchecked, he might have rolled up Kuwait and Saudi, thereby obtaining critical mass in world oil markets and using that clout to cripple western economies and war-making capacity. Not good.

Likewise, if Iran gets nukes, their ability to threaten Israel and the Arabs will unalterably alter the balance of power in their direction.

The common denominator here is nutjob regimes. Saddam was not, nor are the mullahs even remotely amenable to negotiation. Their interests are in direct opposition to ours.

This is not to say that I believe a military strike against Iran is the best option. It's not, because it's likely to rally their people around the leadership. But I do believe regime change is the only way out. I just hope it's from within...

righterscramp said...

Why, exactly would Iran perceive the West as in complete disarray as to how to deal with them?

Iran is not an imperialistic power, if they were they would not go west but north and east, much easier pickings.

Your entire middle east view is a cockeyed hodge podge of perceived threats and conspiracies that shift with whatever conventional wisdom you glean from your equally potty pundits Kagan, Kristol and Krauthammer or as I like to refer to them the KKK. You can't have Al Qaida and Iran battling for a pan-islamist callifate at the same time, they are diametrically opposed.

I think the international community is quite unified in its opposition to a nuke possessing Iran, we merely differ on the approach as to how to make that a reality. The Cheney administration wants to pound them back to the stone age whilst the rest of the world thinks we can find a less 'proactive' remedy.

We could start the process off by apologizing to the Iranian people, not the current leadership, for having, historically, meddled in their affairs to the extent of imposing a ruthless dictator upon them and then diviying up oil rights and contracts to every tom, dick and harry armed with a geotech report and a rig.

Normal Iranians suffered unimaginable horrors at the hands of the Shah, of course they fell under the sway of a crude, manipulative quasi-nationalistic religious confederation, they promised them freedom from internal and international oppression. That the same oppression exists under the mullahs and shariah law should be our gateway not an obstruction.

Apologize to the Iranian people, make some promises that we know and intend to keep. Maybe we ignite a popular uprising through pragmatism rather than confrontation... there are ways, we can be a force for good without always resorting to force.

As for your Saddam projections... to paraphrase Bush I - It was nat ganna happen! Had Saddam remained in power he would of, by now, have been assassinated, probably by one of his sons, in the ensuing power struggle Iraqi oppostion groups would have requested UN assistance, which would have been provided forthwith, the UN and American led forces would have entered Baghdad and been greeted as liberators and not as an occupation army.

How's that for an off the top of my head scenario, just as credible as all the 'serious' thinkers you so obligingly drool over and regurgitate ad nauseum. Only mine is probably much closer to reality, but then again I did spend all of a minute thinking about it.

alwaysright said...

Umm, in 1991, Saddam attacked Kuwait and was rolling down the desert for Saudi when we got 500,000 troops together and liberated Kuwait. Then we left him in power, and imposed sanctions that had the effect of starving children while Saddam built palaces and defrauded the UN for billions of dollars. For the next twelve years the guy wantonly ignored the terms of his surrender, as imposed by the UN, and which the UN unanimousaly agreed that he did. The UN then chose to do nothing about those repeated violations because of the veto of France on the security council.

Only a fool would prognosticate on what might have happened had we not invaded Iraq. What has happened is that we deposed a virulent mass-murdering tyrant who richly deserved it, and gave Iraq an opportunity for something better than the endless succession of evil butchers that region seems to produce. Oh, and by the way we somehow stopped getting attacked by terrorists every few months. Coincidence?

As for Iran, I'll endorse apologizing to them as soon as they apologize for taking our diplomats hostage in 1979, or for the hundreds of American lives taken by their proxy, hezbollah.

Is Iran imperialist? That's what they say. The Khomeini revolution's oft-stated goal is global Islamic revolution. Why do liberals always insist that our enemies don't really mean what they say?

Of course, a popular uprising is something devoutly to be wished for. And there's reason for hope in that regard. If it does, it'll be because the US took a stand in the Mideast, first in Afghanistan, then in Iraq, and then by confronting the mullahs, not by acquiescing to them.

righterscramp said...

He stopped at the border with Saudi Arabia and in the ensuing six months that it took us to raise the 500,000 men made only a few minor incursions into Saudi Arabian territory, three of which were due to the fact that the Iraqi soldiers had no idea where they were. You are so revisionist!

There is no argument about Saddam's evil ways, they have been well documented, the fact that he was funded by our country and even received the toxins and technology he used on his own people from us has been conveniently swept under the rug. You cannot use him as the universal excuse for our presence in the middle east, we made him, we hung him. Problem was, America would never have gone to war in Iraq with the rationale being only to bring down Saddam and his murderous regime, so lots of other false rationales had to be quickly assembled. This administration lied to it's own people and the world. That has been proven over and over again.

I can prognosticate all I want, if an idiot like William "The Bloody" Kristol can prognosticate and a moronic sociopath like Podorhertz advise our government on Iran policy and revise history to fit his facts then so can I. This whole venture is now being revealed for the corrupt, morally bankrupt, ineptly managed farago that many people, who were called traitors at the time, thought it was and would turn in to.

As for Iran, just why would the Iranians invade the US Embassy in Tehran and take those people hostage...? Are they still there now? Perhaps only in your mind!